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Love Not The World

Please join us as Harv facilitates a chapter by chapter tour through this challenging book.  You may read the book online by clicking on the "Link To Ebook" button below or purchase the book from CLC Publications or Amazon, etc.

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LNTW:  Chapter 1 - The Mind Behind The System

10/7/2013

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The first chapter of Love Not The World (and remember that this book was a compilation of different messages given by Watchman Nee through the years) serves as an introduction to the New Testament (NT) concept of "world".  There were these basic points, liberally supported by Scriptural citations:
1.  In John's Gospel there was the loss of hope of Messianic military conquest of the "world," but a new hope that Jesus' death and resurrection would draw men away from the "world."
2.  The NT key word for "world" was the Greek "kosmos," which meant either 'a harmonious arrangement' or 'an adornment,' and consisted of three different elements:
     a.  The material earth or universe,
     b.  The inhabitants of that world, or the whole of men alienated to God and hostile to Christ,
     c.  Worldly affairs, such as goods, riches, pleasures, advantages, endowments.
John liked the word "kosmos," accounting for almost half of all of the NT uses of the word.
3.  The "world" is an orderly arrangement with harmonious functioning, a planned system.
4.  Two key features of this system are:  it's hostile to God, and there is a mind behind it.
5.  Satan, the "world" system's mind and ruler, has been judged by Jesus and is to eventually be "cast out."  But Satan is preparing the "world" for the conquest of his antichrist.
6.  The "world" came into being after the fall of Adam and Eve, and is Satan's domain; the "world" will be supplanted by Jesus' Kingdom when He returns.
7.  All of our society, business and functioning on earth is in the "kosmos."  The "world" uses seductively the tools and technology of man, and actively seeks us out, even at the Church.
8.  Finally, there are two questions one must ask when moving, living and encountering in the "world":
     a.  How does this affect my relationship with God and Jesus Christ?
     b.  Is this of God, or is it of the "world"?  That is the one conflict of the universe.  
Living in the "world" then, to avoid its pitfalls, requires our choices based on the answers to those two questions.
Comment:  This first chapter seems to clearly define what Mr. Nee considered to be the "world" of which John spoke in 1 John 2:15, the source of the book's title, "Love not the world, . . ."  The suggestion is that the "world" is an external, planned system which man faces on a nearly constant basis, with all of its seductions and challenges.  But some of the Hebrew definitions of "world" (see the previous October blog) suggest that our heart may play a role also, that natural man may be born with some of the "world" in his heart.  So can the "world," with its reliance on man's self-focus and self-sufficiency, arise from within?  If so, what mind is it that runs that "world"?  How is "natural man" separated from the ruler of the "world," Satan?
On an unrelated small idea, isn't it interesting that even our grooming, our eating, and our other activities of daily living are generally done in and for the "world"?
Another question which I have about this first chapter concerns Mr. Nee's ideas about the origin of the "world."  Since he seems to think that Satan was the author of the "world," where does the dominion of God fit in?  One would have to think that the "world" came about only, at the least, from God's permissive will, as did Job's troubles from Satan.  How does that balance between God's power and Satan's governing work out?  Like Job, are we subjected to the "world" in order to give glory to the Father and the Son, and to show where our hearts are?  
I will look forward to hearing what others have to say about these issues concerning the "world."
6 Comments
Grover
10/7/2013 08:20:53 am

Quote 4. Two key features of this system are: it's hostile to God, and there is a mind behind it.

It's so easy to look at some of the "good" world systems and find it hard to believe that something that provides needed order, services, even guidance and direction could be overseen by the "god of this world." So, to me, another question could be, "does the system draw men toward God and the testimony of Jesus?" Even the "good" world systems don't fulfill this goal and thus "fall short of the glory of God."
Sooo...the hostility toward God part may be completely passive (and therefore much harder to detect) in that it the system it is a part of may not be inherently evil, but simply doesn't represent God or His purposes.
Seems when we see a red figure with a pointed tail and a pitchfork, it's quite obvious that it is the devil, but when we see something that provides benefit and order, it is much harder to discern the presence of "another mind."
Jesus said we were to be "in the world but not of it." So the Christian is to participate but not be tainted by world systems?

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Grover
10/7/2013 09:40:05 am

In 1John 5:19, John says "We know that we are of God, and that the whole world (kosmos) lies in the power of the evil one."

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Grover
10/9/2013 02:17:12 am

Just wanted to mention another resource for the study. It's the small book by Bob Mumford entitled Dr. Frankenstein and World Systems. You can order it at www.lifechangers.org or on Amazon. The book is very much along the line of LNTW, but has some very interesting perspective that explains the links between the "powers and principalities" and world systems. We had ordered several of these books but have given them out. Sorry!

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Grover
10/11/2013 03:07:34 am

Harv, here's an excerpt from your outline: "Another question which I have about this first chapter concerns Mr. Nee's ideas about the origin of the "world." Since he seems to think that Satan was the author of the "world," where does the dominion of God fit in? One would have to think that the "world" came about only, at the least, from God's permissive will, as did Job's troubles from Satan. How does that balance between God's power and Satan's governing work out?"

One of the popular theories is that God gave Adam dominion over the earth, and that Adam, essentially gave the title deed over to Satan when he (Adam) sinned. So that Satan won Adam's authority by Adam's default. Remember that Watchman Nee makes a distinction between "earth" and "world," stating that the "world"(systems) started at the fall. Prior to that, there was no need for world systems, as God was present and sin was not. Maybe we could take it one step further and say that "the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof," but the "world" under the rule of the Kosmokrater. 1 Jn. 5:19. I'm still pondering this one as we move through the study.

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Ron Roth
10/12/2013 04:00:55 am

“These, then, are the matters at which we must look. Oh, I know I shall appear to some to be overstating things, but this is necessary in order to drive home my point. For "if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" (1 John 2:15). Ultimately, when we touch the things of the world, the question we must ask ourselves always is: "How is this thing affecting my relationship with the Father?"”
I like the relational point and I think it fits with my reading from “Fully Alive” By Larry Crabb regarding the failure in relationships of who he identifies as the secularized man:
“Secularized men serve Jesus in the marketplace as ethical Christians, as hardworking men of integrity in their businesses or professions who generously support and are sometimes actively involved in Christian ministries. The life of God in the soul of a man is relational life, and it evidences itself most clearly not through the ethics we follow, but through the kind of love we offer. Jesus did not endure Calvary to help us live merely ethical lives but to transform the way we relate, from men who are curved in on themselves to men who curve outward into God-revealing, radically masculine lovers of God and others. It is best when a man seizes opportunities to hear a colleague’s loneliness, to remember the God who wants to bring that man to His party, to look closely enough to see the man’s struggles and suffering and sin, and to move into that man’s life with gospel truth delivered in gospel power with gospel wisdom and love. The many virtues evident in a secularized man’s life foster the illusion that he can think of himself as a good man and relational problems with wives, children, or friends, are understood as evidence of another’s failure. He will continue to depend – for his all-important sense of personal well-being – on his personal power, his displayed power to do good things well”.
The insight into the “ethics of the world” helps me put increased understanding of how the good person of this world may just be following the ethics of this world or in effect Satan and be very shallow in his relationships with others and God.
Is Nee suggesting any ethics is of this world?

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Harv
10/12/2013 09:37:04 am

Yes, I believe that Larry Crabb is talking about the same thing as Watchman Nee. Nee started the second chapter of LNTW by saying its not the attractiveness of sin that is the danger of the world, but its enticing system, "skillfully woven" by Satan. Nee would probably say (perhaps he does later) that 'ethics' is part of the planned world system, to trap men and women, so that "being ethical" equates with goodness and satisfaction, away from God. Even a major world Christian leader recently said that atheists are saved by Christ's blood if they do good works. That "goodness" does seem to be of the world's deception.

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